A bill was introduced on March 14, 2017, that would make traveling with guns and ammunition – for legal gun owners, of course – across state lines less of a headache.

Bill S.618 is designed to “amend chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, to more comprehensively address the interstate transportation of firearms or ammunition.” In other words, the bill is meant to better suit and protect the rights of law-abiding gun owners who want to travel state to state with their firearms.

“This bill safeguards our Second Amendment rights by strengthening federal protections for responsible gun owners travelling across state lines,” said U.S. Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah in a statement. “By amending the Firearms Owners’ Protection Act of 1986, this commonsense proposal puts an end to the harassment of upstanding citizens who happen to stay overnight, fuel up, or stop for an emergency during their travels in another state.”

Let’s get down to the nitty gritty of the bill, which by the way had several prominent GOP co-sponsors, including Texas Senators Ted Cruz and John Cornyn.

The bill would simply allow a traveler who is 100% lawfully able to possess a firearm, ammo or magazines to transport them willingly throughout the country, under certain restrictions, of course. The gun would have to be unloaded or, if in a vehicle, not directly accessible to any passengers.

There have been plenty of incidents where travelers found themselves in hot water after local or state police discovered they were transporting firearms. This bill would be music to those folks ears.

“On behalf of the NRA’s five-million members and law-abiding gun owners across the country, I want to thank Sen. Hatch and Congressman Griffith for sponsoring legislation to ensure that those who legally transport their firearms, ammunition and magazines are protected from harassment and prosecution,” said Chris W. Cox, executive director of the National Rifle Association’s Institute for Legislative Action.

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  • chuck2

    What are the issues and who/how many had problems… or is this some sort of way to allow militia and other nut cases as in OR mess to run about with guns. Traveled for decades with gun in trunk, even had cops one time look at them at HP roadblock checkpoint. never an issue..

    • Johnny Steele

      You should have an issue with the HP looking in your trunk. Be more careful with your constitutional rights. We don’t have them by accident.

      • chuck2

        They were looking for escaped prisoner. I had two shotguns cased and hunting vests with ammo showing. No issues

    • ph45

      No. Just protecting people like me that have to drive through MD etc. to get to WV or FLA. If pulled over and I have the evil “high capacity” magazines, empty, in the trunk they could make it an issue and under the current law I wouldhave to go to court and hope they understand the FOPA of 1986.

      • chuck2

        Please give specific law in MD etc that authorized such thing for transits?

      • chuck2

        Note your uses of “Could” but little to present case law or law that allows such. Can see if you are prancing about with mags, but MD does have to follow fed laws, and do.

    • R. Lee Johnson

      We already have a National Concealed Carry permit. It’s called the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America.

      • chuck2

        Your source is what, Courtr ruling etc.. or just hot air of the illinformed?

      • R. Lee Johnson

        Dear Chuck, the Constitution is not hard to understand. Try reading it. You might enjoy it.

      • chuck2

        Seems you are totally unable to reply in any detail.. suggest your add apple pie and motherhood, Chevy try some flag waving, chickenhawk politics, etc to you childishly uninformed blither. Same ole game, not of fact, just blah blahs, is expected.. not one bit of specific response.. ever considered a job at refueling hot air balloons? You are amusing , in a childish way. You embarrass responsible sane gun owners. Blocking you as you are so boring and predictable

      • R. Lee Johnson

        I am terribly sorry that my delay distressed you. Some of us do have to work for a living.

        “A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined…”
        – George Washington, First Annual Address, to both House of Congress, January 8, 1790
        “No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.”
        – Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776
        “I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.”
        – Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787
        “What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms.”
        – Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787
        “The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes…. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”
        – Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776
        “A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks.” – Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 19, 1785
        “The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.”
        – Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824
        “On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed.”
        – Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, 12 June 1823
        “I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence … I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy.”
        – Thomas Jefferson, letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778
        “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
        – Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
        “To disarm the people…[i]s the most effectual way to enslave them.”
        – George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788
        “I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers.”
        – George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788
        “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops.”
        – Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787
        “Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of.”
        – James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788
        “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country.”
        – James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789
        “…the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone…”
        – James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788
        “Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.”
        – William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783
        “A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… “To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.”
        – Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788
        “Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined…. The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.”
        – Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778
        “This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty…. The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.”
        – St. George Tucker, Blackstone’s Commentaries on the Laws of England, 1803
        “The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms, like law, discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance ofpower is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside. And while a single nation refuses to lay them down, it is proper that all should keep them up. Horrid mischief would ensue were one-half the world deprived of the use of them; for while avarice and ambition have a place in the heart of man, the weak will become a prey to the strong. The history of every age and nation establishes these truths, and facts need but little arguments when they prove themselves.”
        – Thomas Paine, “Thoughts on Defensive War” in Pennsylvania Magazine, July 1775
        “The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.”
        – Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788
        “The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them.”
        – Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, 1833
        “What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty …. Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins.”
        – Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, I Annals of Congress 750, August 17, 1789
        “For it is a truth, which the experience of ages has attested, that the people are always most in danger when the means of injuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion.”
        – Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 25, December 21, 1787
        “If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair.”
        – Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28
        “[I]f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist.”
        – Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28, January 10, 1788
        “As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms.”
        – Tench Coxe, Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789

    • Hector Rivera Jr

      The issue is states like New York and New Jersey refuse to abide by the Firearms Protection Act of 1986. They target out of state travelers for traffic stops and if the find a weapon in the vehicle, the owner will be arrested for having a weapon without a New York or New Jersey weapons permit. Weapon will also get confiscated and destroyed so even if you manage to win in court, you lose your weapon and will not get reimbursed.

      Also, if you are flying commercial with a weapon and have a layover in New York or New Jersey that is cancelled, the airline will give you your checked in firearms and then call the police to have you arrested for not having the appropriate state permit even though your travel plans never had you terminating in either state.

      • chuck2

        Noted that last airport shooting was guy from AK who picked up gan and started shooting and please support your claim on airlines calling cops.. as does not exist.

      • Hector Rivera Jr

        Chuck,

        I replied several days ago with a specific case that proved the airlines called the cops on travelers whose connecting flights in New York and New Jersey were cancelled thus forcing them to pick up their checked firearms only to be arrested by the police. Unfortunately, DISQUS deleted my comment so I’ll have to find it again or you can just do a google search like I did to find the cases.

      • chuck2

        Try again and be more careful as you are posting something wrong or making up for lack of verified data

      • Hector Rivera Jr

        Chuck2,

        I am not posting wrong information. The links were to actual newspaper links and published court rulings but my comments with the links continue to get deleted. Go believe your liberal fantasies.

      • chuck2

        Yet you cannot name one airport??? and you accuse me of fantasy? Your are amusing, but should consider writing children’s books..

      • Hector Rivera Jr

        I posted the link to the court ruling again yesterday and the airports involved, JFK in New York and Newark in New Jersey and my comments were deleted again.

        I can only surmise that you don’t want the truth out there and you are flagging my comments. Got to love that liberal tolerance. You just can’t stand to be proven wrong.

      • chuck2

        You can ref the court ruling by case nr etc… But your story is not backed by any facts so far. I cannot “flag” your comments… but see nothing in case law or court rulings, nor any description of case. seems to be some unstated facts missing data etc. see nothing on such via search that matches your fable.

      • Hector Rivera Jr

        I posted the two cases under a reply to myself and my comments weren’t deleted this time. Go figure.

        ——————————————————————
        The case in LaGuardia Airport was Torraco versus Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.

        Docket Nos. 08-1768-cv, 08-1895-cv.
        Decided: June 30, 2010

        On Section I, 1. Factual Background, A. John Torraco, second paragraph, second sentence in this paragraph, “The agent tagged the firearm with an orange firearms declaration tag, and advised Torraco that it was standard operating procedure to notify the Port Authority Police when a passenger declares a weapon, which she did. ”

        Thus I proved my point that IT IS STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE FOR AIRLINE OFFICIALS TO CALL POLICE WHEN TRAVELERS DECLARE FIREARMS IN NYC AIRPORTS.

        ——————————————————————-

        Another case and this one was in New Jersey where the antigun courts ruled that the Firearms Protecting Act of 1986 only applied to transport in vehicles and not via airlines thus affirming arrest of person who had firearms in checked baggage and unfortunately had a stop in Newark International Airport.

        UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
        FOR THE THIRD CIRCUIT
        ____________
        No. 12-3621
        ____________
        ASSOCIATION OF NEW JERSEY RIFLE AND PISTOL
        CLUBS INC.,
        Appellant
        v.
        PORT AUTHORITY OF NEW YORK AND NEW JERSEY,
        and
        SCOTT ERICKSON
        ____________
        On Appeal from the United States District Court
        for the District of New Jersey
        (D.C. No. 2-06-cv-00402)
        District Judge: Hon. Katharine S. Hayden
        ____________
        Argued and Submitted May 31, 2013
        Before: JORDAN and VANASKIE, Circuit Judges, and
        2
        RAKOFF,* District Judge.
        (Filed: September 13, 2013)

      • chuck2

        So what is big deal about airline marking and advising a gun and telling cops about it? Your point is what?

      • Hector Rivera Jr

        The point is that you called me a liar when I said that airline agents call the police whenever a firearm is checked in. The court ruling proved that it is standard operating procedure for the airlines.

        So when a passenger’s connecting flight is cancelled, the airline agents call the passenger to pick up his checked firearms and the police are there waiting to arrest him even though the passenger never intended to stop in NY or NJ; all he had was a connecting flight there to a different destination.

        The fact that you ask this question just proves your liberal antigun bias. Spare me the “I own firearms ” routine. I know plenty of antigunners who own firearms and have concealed carry permits but don’t want average citizens to own firearms.

      • chuck2

        Once again what is your point and what is your hard data that airlines call cops and they cops arrest gun owner…I doubt cops arrest someone picking up checked gun, unless they are violating some local law, which is authorized by some sort of fed law by HS. You are so atypical of right wing gunnies that seem to think none but right wingers own guns… most sane gun owners such as self, only want sane gun laws and carry by well tested, educated gun safety-laws, and qualified, unlike nra freaks who feel any gun for any one any time..as if holding handgun makes one qualified.

      • Hector Rivera Jr

        Chuck2,

        Again you’re showing your liberal bias. “NRA Freaks” ? Got to love your liberal tolerance, NOT!

        Why don’t you spell out your acronyms so the rest of us know what you are talking about ref. “authorized by some sort of fed law by HS”. What is the HS in your statement?

        I know all about your liberal ideas on gun safety laws. My last duty station before I retired from the military was in New Jersey where I tried to obtain a pistol permit so I could legally bring my pistols in state. I was informed by the police that they would gladly take my money for the application but even though I was a Senior NCO with over 20 years in and holding a Top Secret-SCI security clearance, I would not be approved for a permit. My research at the time showed that only judges, lawyers, politically connected or rich folks were approved for NJ pistol permits. Even some retired police were denied permits.

      • chuck2

        Yep nra freaks, the ones that back allowing those on no fly list to buy guns, that feel those officially on medical care and are not capable of handling own affairs should have guns, and other right wing nut cases, are not sane gun owners. Grow up as if really in USA you lived off abbreviations, FYI HS is Homeland Security, HS a common abrev.

        You did not state why you were denied, which is more to truth.. as far as your senior nco security clearance etc, I was same with SSIR. and vet status gives you no special benefits to prance about with concealed guns, Most real vets know that probably 90% of military are not and never qualified, much less shot handguns. You’d be more credible if you showed us “research” you purportedly did.
        As far as rest of your rant, am a Independent, support sane gun laws and extensive training, I want to see carry laws loaded with education gun safety and laws, and real world retests every five years or so… and a eye test same as drivers license. I shot on Command pistol team for a few years, and know what it takes ot master a handgun. Wife and I have carry permits, but not at all paranoid about “self defense” blah blah, and mostly use them when transporting guns to keep hassle levels down.

        So you predicable blither on “libbers l blah blah” is just more rant of hot air..I have owned and shot all types of guns, hand load and competitive until eyes no longer good enough and am fiercely real Independent voter, former nra but quite in late 70’s when they went militantly berserk, to increase gun sales, as nra is lobby for gun mfgs, not owners and in fact gave away membership to artificially inflate nrs. Doubt latter, say not one push by nra to lower ammo and hand loading costs, for their members or mfgs, you decide..Sorry but you should apply for job at hot air balloon sites as your ego driven post lacking factual examples, cops and you denied, why?

      • Hector Rivera Jr

        Chuck,

        I posted three times with specific cases and the actual court rulings which stated that it was airline/airport policy to call the police whenever people were checking in firearms at the airport.

        Unfortunately, someone at either Disqus or Outdoorhub keeps deleting my comments showing the specific cases. There was no obscenity, swearing or another wrong in my comments just the links to the factual cases but still my comments were deleted. I am not going to waste my time anymore with this article if my comments keep getting deleted. It appears someone at Disqus is allergic to the truth and facts.

      • chuck2

        I doubt if you just posted the airport name you would get kick back.. try that

      • Hector Rivera Jr

        The case in LaGuardia Airport was Torraco versus Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.

        Docket Nos. 08-1768-cv, 08-1895-cv.
        Decided: June 30, 2010

        On Section I, 1. Factual Background, A. John Torraco, second paragraph, second sentence in this paragraph, “The agent tagged the firearm with an orange firearms declaration tag, and advised Torraco that it was standard operating procedure to notify the Port Authority Police when a passenger declares a weapon, which she did. ”

        Thus I proved my point that IT IS STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE FOR AIRLINE OFFICIALS TO CALL POLICE WHEN TRAVELERS DECLARE FIREARMS IN NYC AIRPORTS.

      • Hector Rivera Jr

        Another case and this one was in New Jersey where the antigun courts ruled that the Firearms Protecting Act of 1986 only applied to transport in vehicles and not via airlines thus affirming arrest of person who had firearms in checked baggage and unfortunately had a stop in Newark International Airport.

        UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
        FOR THE THIRD CIRCUIT
        ____________
        No. 12-3621
        ____________
        ASSOCIATION OF NEW JERSEY RIFLE AND PISTOL
        CLUBS INC.,
        Appellant
        v.
        PORT AUTHORITY OF NEW YORK AND NEW JERSEY,
        and
        SCOTT ERICKSON
        ____________
        On Appeal from the United States District Court
        for the District of New Jersey
        (D.C. No. 2-06-cv-00402)
        District Judge: Hon. Katharine S. Hayden
        ____________
        Argued and Submitted May 31, 2013
        Before: JORDAN and VANASKIE, Circuit Judges, and
        2
        RAKOFF,* District Judge.
        (Filed: September 13, 2013)

  • Mike Tesch

    This is a good bill as long as it doesn’t hinder or replace the house bill for
    national concealed carry reciprocity. We have to keep our eye on the ball and
    not settle for less than what we are guaranteed by the Constitution.

    • chuck2

      Will the House Bill require qualifications and education, gun safety and rules-laws (which will vary state to state). Not in favor of any laws that permits any yahoo that has never had gun safety, gun laws, and have t fire at least 50rd testings, and qualify for permit. I cannot see any sane gun owner-shooter would accept less… Seen enough poor gun handling on ranges, to think one of those fools prancing about with concealed. I would guess full background check required.

      Only a fool, with little to no handgun experience(s) thinks no courses, no qualifying shooting and how various state laws interact, would want less. Note Courts have ruled concealed, machine guns, blah blah are NOT a Right, guns can be regulated, if now show where Court says otherwise…

      • Leah D. Lichtenberg

        Chuck, you want to know what is even sadder? I am in a state where it is required for you to take an 8 hour class with an NRA instructor. You have 6.5 hours of class time, going over laws, explaining laws, ammunition, different types of guns, etc and then you have range time that you need to qualify with. I was the only female out of 10 people. Their were 3 men in the range that didn’t even know how to load ammunition in the magazine and enter it into the magazine well. One guy kept turning and muzzling people standing behind 10 feet and I was one of them. The RO got in his face after the second time, although where I am going with this is the NRA instructor PASSED these 3 people as all 3 didn’t even know how to shoot. You had to put 35 out of 50 at 10 yards in center mass. How do you think they did? And this was for the concealed weapon license. Just to think that it is these people who have no clue about gun safety and walk around with one or more on their person. SCARY.

      • chuck2

        Agree, but did anyone turn in or complain about passing those fools.. Know exactly how you feel, was at outdoor range few years back, other guy there came over with 1911, hammer back. He wanted to know how to lower the hammer “as came back after every shot” etc. He had carry from state (GA) that had zero requirements, Law did background check, Judge then signed off.
        So got to ask was the class worth it to you. Why didn’t someone turn in instructors? Can only guess at what a “national carry” would require as backed by nra whose primary job is selling ore guns. Ole states rights issue as seems would negate state rules. Shot handguns for decades, includes competitive. The fools out there pusingi this horror, are either totally unqualified to comment on it or are shills for nra or simply fools.. Why anyone should prance about with concealed with no testing, education on safety-laws (vary from state to state) simply escapes any semblance to sanity.
        Glad you took course, we need more that want such detailed and less nra instructors our for the buck.. also worry no eye test.. as sight is critical to safe shooting. My worries are that I or family might be out wiht some of the totally unqualified, or cannot even see good from bad guys (lots like that) and kill us.

      • Leah D. Lichtenberg

        I’ve been shooting for a long time. I am nothing but about safety every moment when it comes to firearms. I came from a State that doesn’t require a mandated course to get your cwp….that is scary. Eye tests, I’m not sure if that would pass due to when you do competitions you are not using your dominant eye, you are shooting in that direction, it just depends if what type of match you are in, IDPA or USPSA, either way you need to just get it in a specific area. Make sense? Most shooters are only one eye dominant if required to have an eye test, they would do it at 3 yards, unless required to do it at 10 to 15. Any further than that anyone would need some type of scope to hit that center bulls eye.

        It should be a requirement in every state to take a class and be shown how to load a gun, etc and safety ON the range. Period! :0)

      • chuck2

        Eye t4est refers to must be or not to operate the gun… same as drivers eye test.. Scary if shooter needs eye corrections and shoots without such…aka cannot see good guys from bad guys, and lots of folks out there need corrections. Not dominant eye issue, just test to see if can see target, could get data off driver license. I cannot shoot competitive of any kind without glasses.

      • NRA Instructor

        Don’t whine about this if you didn’t report this guy to the NRA. If you do they will revoke his credentials…..as well they should….AND WILL!

        Don’t be part of the problem.

      • Leah D. Lichtenberg

        This is a true statement. Their are a few things you need to know and understand. I am now in a small town where everyone knows everyone and I want to be able to shoot at the only indoor range available. The class was taken at this indoor range and I don’t want to piss off the Pope. I want to be able to hone in my skills as I do competition. Being a new comer into the area and range, it was an extremely hard decision for me NOT to do so. I have to choose and pick my battles. If you have a safe way for me to do so, please PM me and I am all ears as the owner of the range knows about this situation!!! :0)

      • Mark Freburg

        Sure, that’s scary. But how much training and expertise do you think a criminal with a gun has had? Yet he’s going to have a gun, along with a complete disregard for your life, my life, and those lousy shooting but law-abiding citizens’ lives you mention. That should be even scarier. Think about that while you talk about disarming good people.

      • chuck2

        Mark says “Think about that while you talk about disarming good people” who are as she points out as dangerous to us all as criminal with gun…to us all, but only real difference is concealed has a paper, even if zero qualified and proven dangerous at the class. You are not to bright about gun safety for us all.

      • chuck2

        Noted some went at you with the old worn out “Criminal with a gun”, so got to ask, were those in your class that could not load or safely handle gun more or less dangerous then the fabled “Criminal with a gun”.

      • CHIRSTIANTROOPER

        Your premise is wrong you need to do all those things to get a carry permit unles you served in the military then you get a waiver.

      • chuck2

        I was asking what the requirement was for the carry, what training, education, gun safety and gun laws. Am vet and not to thrilled with “Vet need not meet etc” as the image that all that served are qualified with a handgun is pure bs, as anyone who served knows. I would guess only Marines who “are all riflemen” have real gun training for all. The image of all vets qualified to shoot in public areas is a farce, and quite dangerous. I know of no branch that requires ALL to qualify with a handgun, and how they are supposed to know gun laws escapes me. Only reason I say such as was in USAF and shot competitive handguns, wheel and pistol, ball and wad. But 90% of USAF never fired handguns… and it is something to be mastered, not a toy, which most do not fully understand.
        What are the requirements of Bill to carry, qualifications, classroom educations etc?

  • buffalobob826

    A lot of people died for our rights and now a lot of dumbed down people will give up our rights for non existent security that they think the government will give them. And these politicians are using these people to take our rights

    • chuck2

      And a lot of people who are not dumbed down, do not buy into the theory that we can shoot at will with no formal training and the worst spin is “If government abuses we can take our guns and defend us from government… sounds like 1800’s night rider talk.. as who decides to “take our nation back”, some clown who wishes to impose rules by guns?

  • chuck2

    One big question, which the right seems to always want upfront… what about states rights…which seems ignored in this case.. and noted none discuss what will be required to get this item, qualifications, courses etc.. this is simply another nra thing to sell more guns.. So what testing should go along with this as way to many states have zero… and that scares me more then criminals with guns… as handguns are not toys and laws are laws.. anyone carry, should prove they know how to safely use guns, laws etc? Does not restrict anyone other then fools.

    • John A. Johnson

      This bill allows a legal gun owner to transport their firearm. In other words if person is driving from Michigan to Wyoming to go elk hunting and gets stopped for speeding in the jurisdiction of Chicago or Des Moines, etc., can’t get busted for having an unregistered (in that jurisdiction) firearm. It does happen.

      • chuck2

        Please show cases of this happening, documented cases.

    • Mark Freburg

      “So what testing should go along with this as way to many states have zero… and that scares me more then criminals with guns…”
      Where is your logic?? If law-abiding private citizens with guns truly scare you more than criminals with guns, I pray you never meet up with a criminal with a gun sometime.

      • chuck2

        Had you much real world experience, with handguns you’d know that only a fool thinks someone with zero formal training, zero fired rounds to qualify, zero education on gun safety and laws makes thing safer for us all. Note many states require hunter safety formal course to hunt, but OK to prance about in public with no formal handgun training?
        Pray for someone else as your remark about “criminals” puts them in same area as untrained “not criminals”, only zero experience hand-gunner would buy into no rules, unless functionally illiterate, or nra shill.
        How anyone can carry a gun without formal knowledge of laws and gun safety is beyond common sense. Note under this law (nra purchased under any gun for anyone to increase sales) more fools with no knowledge are in fact more dangerous. Child, this is not the movies.

      • Mark Freburg

        You have no idea who you’re talking to, and your pejorative blathering doesn’t make for intelligent debate. At 61 years old I’m hardly a child, As one with a great deal of contact with the criminal class through law enforcement I suspect I know more than you do about how criminals really act. Your comment about the movies is just more evidence of not knowing your audience. I’m done with you, as I strongly suspect you are ruled by your emotions, not experience, logic, or common sense.

      • chuck2

        Doubt your quals as you would know that untrained citizens prancing about conceal are in fact biggest danger to the public. Most criminals are totally untrained with guns, As said you watch to many movies as have very limited knowledge of how dangerous a citizen with a handgun really is, even to storing them safely with kids in house.. Know lots of law types over the years, shot competitively with them and not one felt citizen should prance about concealed with no formal training, qualify with gun they would carry and know gun safety-laws.. Please justify why those with no required formal training of any kind should prance about concealed and are safe to rest of society.

      • Mark Freburg

        Blather on, chuck2.

      • chuck2

        So you can keep dodging the questions….as said you are functionally illiterate when it comes to gun safety quantification-education, sounds like you “law work” was as turnkey. Noted you dodged questions as probably inescapable of responsible reply….same ole attack the messenger as not capable of sane reply.

        So one more time “Please justify why those with no required formal training of any kind
        should prance about concealed and are safe to rest of society.

  • chuck2

    Note lot of “they will take my gun etc.. but not one specif law, etc… me suspects nra pushed rumor and innuendo’s not law, and pols in usual manner trolling for votes or additions ot political resumes of nonsense…

    • ajl2510

      Actually, this is true, you are not fully protected in some states unless you don’t stop. Here is the verbiage on the State of Maryland site. Please note the words “If you interrupt your trip”…

      If you travel through MD with the firearm unloaded and secured you are covered under Federal law.
      If you interrupt your trip while in Maryland, you come under state law, and may not transport a handgun
      even unloaded and cased, except to a few designated destinations (range, residence, etc.) without a Maryland
      Permit. These restrictions on transportation do not apply to long guns.

      So this is fact, NOT innuendo or trolling for votes. I had to look this up since my wife travels to Maryland for work occasionally and I wanted to ensure she was protected. IF you stop in MD with a legal gun, unloaded and locked, you can still be arrested if you stop at a hotel, place of business or even a friend’s home. FACT.

      • chuck2

        You did not state the specific law or link to the law-para that states your case.. so just a rumor. Noted others “airport calls cops etc” in same situation.What is the specific law you reference.. and details. And if so, that would then be the infamous “States Right” so often championed by right and nra etc. So what is the law and link to it..

      • ajl2510

        Maryland Criminal Law Section 4-203 – This provides for transportation of handguns within the State of Maryland.

        US Federal Law § 926A. Interstate Transportation of Firearms provides protection for citizens (not illegal aliens for you liberals) between states. However, if you suspend or interrupt your passage, you must follow Maryland State Laws as referenced above.

        Now wipe your little tears and do your research Mary.

      • chuck2

        Well child..(note I am independent no Right wing freak nor lib, but always amusing when gunnie backed into corners by facts, simply babbles)

        hmmm and this is part of the law.. but if you need work, suggest you look at being cherry picker…so child it seems with permit OK and you can carry a handgun in trunk, unloaded, with ammo seperate… feel sorry for you wife if you advise her… or anyone,

        Note from same law.
        (2) the wearing,
        carrying, or transporting of a handgun, in compliance with any limitations
        imposed under § 5–307 of the Public Safety Article, by a person to whom a permit to wear, carry, or transport the handgun has been issued under Title 5, Subtitle 3 of the Public Safety Article;

        There is also this which you seemed to miss.. basic is if no reciprocal carry-concealed. unload gun, lock in truth, separate from ammo. Fed law is

        Title 18, Section 926A, of the United States Code, a person who is not prohibited from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose
        from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during
        such transportation the firearm is unloaded, neither he firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment. In the case the vehicle does not have a compartment separate from the driver’s compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked compartment other than the
        glove compartment or console.

        Amusing how lite on facts-law you are.

      • ajl2510

        Actually, your first comment has the words “with permit”. In order to get a permit in MD, it is a time consuming, costly endeavor. Additionally, to have someone have to go through that process even if all they want to do is travel through and spend one night in a state is prohibitive.

        Your other notes from Title 18, Section 926A is specific to “entitled to transport”. Again, there are no provisions for disruption of your passage. I have personally spoken with a Representative of the Maryland State Police (you can do the same by calling the phone number on their website) and was told my interpretation is correct.

        Lastly, you liberals calling anyone “child” is funny. Especially when you all needed coloring books, soft pillows and quiet rooms when Hillary Clinton lost the election. Just pick up your crayons and crying towel and find your safe place Mary. I’m done.

      • chuck2

        Not what the law reads and no ref to spending a night in MD…your fables are amusing.