Mike Rowe was asked by a fan to help out with this year’s election by encouraging his following to go out and vote. Mike’s response to this request was nothing short of perfect. What he offered instead was wisdom and a completely different outlook on this issue. Check out the exchange below.

Hey Mike, I have nothing but respect for you. Your no-nonsense outlook and incredible eloquence have really had a profound impact in my life. Can you please encourage your huge following to go out and vote this election? I would never impose on you by asking you to advocate one politician over another, but I do feel this election could really use your help. I know that there are many people out there who feel like there is nothing they can do. Please try to use your gifts to make them see that they can do something – that their vote counts.

Hi Jeremy

Thanks for the kind words. I appreciate it. I also share your concern for our country, and agree wholeheartedly that every vote counts. However, I’m afraid I can’t encourage millions of people whom I’ve never met to just run out and cast a ballot, simply because they have the right to vote. That would be like encouraging everyone to buy an AR-15, simply because they have the right to bear arms. I would need to know a few things about them before offering that kind of encouragement. For instance, do they know how to care for a weapon? Can they afford the cost of the weapon? Do they have a history of violence? Are they mentally stable? In short, are they responsible citizens?

Casting a ballot is not so different. It’s an important right that we all share, and one that impacts our society in dramatic fashion. But it’s one thing to respect and acknowledge our collective rights, and quite another thing to affirmatively encourage people I’ve never met to exercise them. And yet, my friends in Hollywood do that very thing, and they’re at it again.

Every four years, celebrities and movie stars look earnestly into the camera and tell the country to “get out and vote.” They tell us it’s our “most important civic duty,” and they speak as if the very act of casting a ballot is more important than the outcome of the election. This strikes me as somewhat hysterical. Does anyone actually believe that Leonardo DiCaprio, Ellen DeGeneres, and Ed Norton would encourage the “masses” to vote, if they believed the “masses” would elect Donald Trump?

Regardless of their political agenda, my celebrity pals are fundamentally mistaken about our “civic duty” to vote. There is simply no such thing. Voting is a right, not a duty, and not a moral obligation. Like all rights, the right to vote comes with some responsibilities, but lets face it – the bar is not set very high. If you believe aliens from another planet walk among us, you are welcome at the polls. If you believe the world is flat, and the moon landing was completely staged, you are invited to cast a ballot. Astrologists, racists, ghost-hunters, sexists, and people who rely upon a Magic 8 Ball to determine their daily wardrobe are all allowed to participate. In fact, and to your point, they’re encouraged.

The undeniable reality is this: our right to vote does not require any understanding of current events, or any awareness of how our government works. So, when a celebrity reminds the country that “everybody’s vote counts,” they are absolutely correct. But when they tell us that “everybody in the country should get out there and vote,” regardless of what they think or believe, I gotta wonder what they’re smoking.

Look at our current candidates. No one appears to like either one of them. Their approval ratings are at record lows. It’s not about who you like more, it’s about who you hate less. Sure, we can blame the media, the system, and the candidates themselves, but let’s be honest – Donald and Hillary are there because we put them there. The electorate has tolerated the intolerable. We’ve treated this entire process like the final episode of American Idol. What did we expect?

So no, Jeremy – I can’t personally encourage everyone in the country to run out and vote. I wouldn’t do it, even if I thought it would benefit my personal choice. Because the truth is, the country doesn’t need voters who have to be cajoled, enticed, or persuaded to cast a ballot. We need voters who wish to participate in the process. So if you really want me to say something political, how about this – read more.

Spend a few hours every week studying American history, human nature, and economic theory. Start with “Economics in One Lesson.” Then try Keynes. Then Hayek. Then Marx. Then Hegel. Develop a worldview that you can articulate as well as defend. Test your theory with people who disagree with you. Debate. Argue. Adjust your philosophy as necessary. Then, when the next election comes around, cast a vote for the candidate whose worldview seems most in line with your own.

Or, don’t. None of the freedoms spelled out in our Constitution were put there so people could cast uninformed ballots out of some misplaced sense of civic duty brought on by a celebrity guilt-trip. The right to assemble, to protest, to speak freely – these rights were included to help assure that the best ideas and the best candidates would emerge from the most transparent process possible.

Remember – there’s nothing virtuous or patriotic about voting just for the sake of voting, and the next time someone tells you otherwise, do me a favor – ask them who they’re voting for. Then tell them you’re voting for their opponent. Then, see if they’ll give you a ride to the polls.

In the meantime, dig into “Economics in One Lesson,” by Henry Hazlitt. It sounds like a snooze but it really is a page turner, and you can download it for free.


The world certainly needs more people like Mike Rowe. He is very wise and has the unique ability to always shed a little bit of light where people are most afraid to look.

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60 thoughts on “Mike Rowe Shares his Wise Opinion on Voting

  1. If the electorate becomes intvformed (I’m for it), it will the first time in American history that it would be the case. Think of it…people who could understand issues of governance without the help of a 60-sec TV spot that plays to their bias instead of their intellect. I’m for a new brighter future in which the electorate votes with their mind instead of their heart, or worse yet, their fear. I hope I live to see it, but I won’t hold my breath.

  2. Mike Rowe is the type of leader we need (however, he would never want it). I have more respect for him than any career politician.

    1. We have never had a vote so needed in our entire history. By
      not voting, you are actually casting a vote for Hillary. Should Hillary win, it
      is over for we gun Owners. She will fill the Supreme Court with Anti-Gun
      liberals, therefore changing our 2nd. Amendment forever. The
      liberals claim the 2nd. Amendment was intended for the Militia and
      only for the Militia not for We The People. Good luck to you.

      1. Republicans handed her this election, by choosing such a polarizing candidate. You can kick and scream all you want, but you knew what you were getting with Trump in the primaries and the republicans still chose him. For as much as Clinton isn’t liked by independents and Republicans, the Republicans could have nominated someone more centrist and crushed her, but they didn’t. Instead they went and chose someone so far right, that he won’t even garner a quarter of independent voters.

      2. Well take a deep breath. I live in Alabama. So no need to worry about me casting a vote for Hillary.

        I for one would prefer all voters for Trump and Clinton to stay home and not vote. They’ve obviously confirmed that they have not done their research.

      3. What a bunch of right wing mumbo jumbo. They said the same thing about President Obama. It was going to be the end of America. Stop scaring people with this right wing crap. It’s not even half true. Even with a liberal majority on the Supreme court, the only change that’s likely is a background check change which probably still won’t change because the dems don’t own a congressional majority.

      4. And if you looked at the damage that obama has done, you know that not only is this NOT a “mumbo jumbo” but real world worries. obama has been the most destructive person to hold office in America since Woodrow Wilson, and perhaps ever.

        If anything he is the primary example that judging someone based on skin color, or by how he sounds is precisely the wrong way to vote. He is a primary example of what the article is about. When American Idol elects our politicians, we all lose.

      5. Nice way to generalize without providing any basis for your argument. So just so I’m clear. The unemployment rate was where when Obama took office? How many people had been affected by the housing crisis and were losing jobs and homes? So that’s one basis in fact.

        Obamacare… what you guys love to hate. I will agree with you to an extent that Obamacare needs to be fixed. However, we live in a divided government. In order to get this law passed, compromise was needed with moderate republicans. So in all fairness, it is not the law he really wanted to sign. Yes, I understand the issues facing small businesses. I agree some changes are needed, but to repeal it entirely is just stupid.

      6. Well said, Freeman. I love how many confirm their own dire and doomsday projections that Obama was going to destroy the country simply by stating over and over that he has, without providing any specifics. Let me put it this way, had McCain or even Romney won and everything else was exactly the same as it is now: the improved economy, etc., the Republicans would be crowing about the fantastic job they’ve done. It’s all about perspective and we have to, we must, exit out of our echo chambers if we want to understand reality.

  3. The “Youngest” of these Statements is 2-months old?/! How would Mike Rowe Vote NOW After some of Trump’s New News Revelations…

  4. Everyone who is disaffected by the two major party candidates needs to vote for Evan McMullin-having just read an article identifying Mr. Trump’s and Mrs. Clinton’s views, I’m reminded that most people running for office SAY they want the same things(better economy, security for us and our children, and affordable healthcare)but it seems obvious to me that neither of them have the first idea how to actually bring the thing about! This bright young man has actually walked the walk. At this point, I think he is our best hope.

    1. No, we have no idea what Evan McMullin is for or against (really). I went carefully over all items on his own website when he announced, and he said, in essence, he’s for Mom, apple pie, and the Flag, and against bad guys, and he thinks he’s a good guy, but we don’t know squat about this political ‘nobody’!

      Either Trump or Hillary will be elected. So don’t waste your vote on them. I’m writing in Marco Rubio. No, he won’t get elected in 2016. But heaven hope he does in 2020. He’s the ONLY Republican candidate, IMO, at least, who at least had the correct rhetoric. Cruz and Trump are both too extreme. Trump is crude. Hillary, like Bill, is pure evil. The Clintons have nearly 50 ‘body bags’ (people who have died “in their service” since Bill was governor of Arkansas and US President. Bill raped Juanita Brooks, and molested other women, had mistresses, an apparent bastard (whose fault was Bill’s), and not the kid’s, and much, much worse.

      The Clinton Foundation is nothing less than a money laundering scheme run through Canada to the Clinton Foundation in the US.

      Hillary threatened and bullied women that Bill Clinton fondled and raped. She also bullied a 12-year old rape victim, and laughed in interviews about doing it to her. One of her Secret Service agents wrote a whole book about how she is so often so unreasonable. She either pushed Vince Foster to suicide, or the Clintons had Foster ‘taken out’.

      And Hillary is as fake as you can get when she’s in public. I’ve never seen a bigger phony, especially one to whom so many nitwits suck up to, in public!

      She probably has Parkinson’s disease, and possibly more. And her running mate would be a horrible replacement, were she to die or be incapacitated.

  5. Even if the democratic candidate were the most virtuous candidate in recent history, I could not cast a vote for that person. Why? Because democratic policies are destroying our country. I know that 30-40 years with a liberal supreme court will result in a one-party government. When that happens, liberty will be reduced. The larger the government, the smaller the citizen.

    1. The Supreme Court has been a conservative majority for some time now. The conservatives have ruled the House and Senate for the majority of Bush and Obama’s administrations. I realize now more than ever with Trump that facts have no place in the Republican’s agenda.

      1. Lance, Better check your facts, the current Supreme Court balance is 4-4 at the moment. During Bush’s first term the GOP had the majority of votes necessary to control the process for his first two years. Not after that which is why the economy took a dive. Democrats killed all of Bush’s efforts to right the economy which is why Barney Frank is now missing. Even the Mass. democrats had enough of him. You may want to include several RINO types as well. The media as in their normal put the blame for everything on “W” and the GOP. Most of us now know differently, some die hard liberals simply cannot be convinced.

      2. Lance,

        Facts? I believe you may be suffering from kool aide intoxication – seek professional help.

        You are obviosly a liberal, and since when did facts and truth matter to liberals. They are famous for rejecting reality and substituting an alternate one of their own making despite facts to the contrary.

  6. Regarding the newest ‘revelations’ on Donald Trump. I say, “Give me a break!” Anyone who voted and/or endorsed him, if they had any intelligence at all, and paid any attention to him while he’s been in the public eye for 30 or 40 years, would know he not only is now, but always has been a sleazy, slimey, grimey, groping scuzzball of a person. He is crude, lewd, rude and vulgar. But he LONG HAS BEEN! Why would anyone assume he’s CHANGED?

    I wouldn’t vote for him before, and I certainly wouldn’t vote for him now!

    But, that said, that’s NO ENDORSEMENT in the least for Hillary!

    Both of these sleazeballs (Donald & Hillary) are sociopaths. Many who have know both of them personally, intimately, have said so, of both, over, and over, and over ad nauseum.

    One of them will be the next US President, because idiots will march like lemmings were supposed by many to commit mass suicide in lock step with each other (but, of course, in reality, lemmings don’t). But these ‘human lemmings’ will sadly vote for one of two of the two worst presidential candidates this nation has EVER allowed to head major party tickets, both at the same time.

    I’m writing in Marco Rubio. At least his rhetoric is correct, IMO. Much more than I can say for either of these two famous ‘losers’!!!

    1. your sentiment is correct, your execution shows lack of understanding that politics is about pragmatism as well as understanding of issues.

      I dislike Donald, I HATE Hilary. She has failed in everything she ever tried (except in gathering power and milking people for money). Her failures are only as deep as her scandals.

      I may dislike Donald, but if I was to write in someone I like, I would be voting for Hilary. That is not something that I could ever do to my kids or my country.

      This election should primarily be an example to all of us what is wrong with the whole process. However that is not something that can be done by November. For now all we can do is block that which is worse and hopefully learn from it so that in 4 years this won’t be yet another repeat of this.

      1. Marek,

        Trust me, I know what I’m doing. And my vote for Marco Rubio is not a vote for Hillary.

        Both candidates are sociopaths—dyed in the wool liars.

        Hillary & Bill have taken there body bags, perfected a money laundering machine via Canada to the US, and shown an utter disrespect for the law. I get it.

        I also get that Trump, is elected, will likely start a very uncivil civil war in this country. Unfortunately, due to an EMP attack that Iran, possibly North Korea too, will mount against the US (and Russia and/or China could either or both be complicit in this).

        Once our lights and power are out, Latino gangs will rule. Without any electronic communications (neither TV, radio, internet, landline phones, cell phones, or even ham radios operating), Latino gangs, even parts of them crossing the border and coming up from Mexico, will ravage the US from one end to the other. And this, due to Trump building the wall, and sending, or trying to send millions of Mexicans and other Latinos back to their countiy/ies of origin.

        Hillary will continue the plundering of the US, as Obama has done. Once foes, they are complicit in destroying the US, and promoting their reign of Mafioso rule on America. Hillary, too, will promote and cause a very uncivil civil war in this nation. Attempting to thwart 2nd Amendment rights, and Free Speech and Freedom of Religion rights, she will push Tea Partyers to rebel.

        Either route to uncivil civil war will devastate the US population. Most will die in this war; and mostly from starvation and pestilence.

        I dislike very much the corruption of both Hillary and Trump. And according to conscience, and not some Faustian pragmatism, I cannot, and will not, vote for either. I WILL VOTE. But I will NOT vote for Hillary or Donald.

        Regarding nothing done between now and November, I agree. We are screwed either way, with either candidate. But, there is neither a “lesser of two evils” in this scenaro. They are both lost causes. And 9% of the US population made this choice for us, because the other 91% abdicated their responsibility.

      2. Dave, Any vote for anyone other than Trump is a vote for Hillary. There is no proof or indication that Trump is inclined to start a war. What would encourage others to attack us is a weakened national defense.

      3. Do you want to know why none of what you are predicting will ever come true?
        Guns in the hands of the citizens will along with the military defeat any invading force, which is what has kept foreign powers from ever invading the continental United States for over 212 years. Not since the War of 1812 were we as a country weak enough to be taken by force of arms.

        Any of that occurring will happen if Hillary is in office, much more likely than if Trump becomes President. The liberals in this country don’t want to spend what it takes to field a strong military that will prevent aggressive action against us. The latino gangs are of little consequence – the national guard would make short work of them if they dared mount any sizeable attack on us. First the border would finally be secured by patrolling army and air national guard forces, and the guard infantry would be put to work in our cities and towns hunting them down and either arresting them or ending their armed opposition. That is what all those operations and exercises are designed to deal with.

        EMP is at best a myth. It’s effects have never been tested as a weapon on it’s own. It’s a side effect of a thermonuclear detonation, the blast and radiation are the real disabling properties of such weapons. Stand alone EMP is simply not a realistic possibility.

        I also think you underestimate the basic nature of the American people to stand for the common good. We may fight between us over politics but when it comes to existential threats to the people and the nation, we have always banded together to fight the enemy – case in point; World War Two. Even the attacks of 09/11/2001 prove that the American people and the American spirit can be counted upon to defend the people and our way of life. Of course there are individuals who act otherwise, but the majority of us will help each other in times of trouble and extend a caring hand to those weaker than ourselves. That makes a civil war unlikely. We had one of those and it left a bitter taste in our collective mouths that still exists. No one wants to revisit that.

        As far as collective responsibility goes, the left has been trying to produce that level of apathy for more than a hundred years, and through the education system in place now which is riddled with old 1960’s radicals and communists/anarchists this is their handiwork. It began with the computer age in the 1980’s when they started telling children that their parents are ignorant and unworthy to lead them into adult life. I know because my kids told me that when they were in elementary school – in Oklahoma. If they were working that message in Oklahoma, you know they were doing it everywhere. Now, the universities are loaded with faculty who were raised to believe in that kind of thinking and worse. No prayer in school, no pledge of alligiance, and now the white privilege and black lives (only) matter is all we hear about. Nothing uplifting or positive and no hope for a better future – unless you follow the simple minded correct and approved thinking coming from the extreme left.

        I choose to believe we have a brighter destiny and the only way it will happen is by hard work and hard choices. In this case, the choice is to vote for one of the two candidates we have, and one will definitely destroy us, so who do you think will be the better choice? The billionaire celebrity who doesn’t need the money of others, or the one who claims poverty after leaving the White House after 8 years in office? The Clintons even took the keyboards of all the White House computers on their way out to impede the transition to President Bush. That alone should tell us they cannot be trusted.

      4. The Israelites did not believe Moses, Micah, Isaiah, and other prophets, that God would expel them from the “promised land”. But, they were, by the Assyrians circa 721 B.C.

        The Jews did not believe those prophets, nor Jeremiah, that God would allow them to be (likewise) disinherited from the promised land. But were, by the Babylon about 3 times; with the final dispossession coming down circa 687 / 686 B.C.

        Yes, a few were brought back, “70 years after” (whatever initial date that was counted from). They rebuilt their temple. And the old, who had seen and known Solomon’s temple, wept, when the temple was rebuilt, and they saw how inferior the replacement temple was finished and dedicated.

        Likewise, even Jesus’ disciples didn’t suppose that something so bad as the destruction of the beautiful buildings ‘Herod the Great’ had begun (that is why he was called ‘the Great’. Certainly, we was as ruthless a ruler as ever there was. But, infrastructure-wise, he was an incredible builder), when Jesus told them that not one (massive) stone would be left upon the other—but all would be thrown down.

        And, this prophecy was perhaps fulfilled twice—once in 70 A.D., by Titus. Then again about a half century later, when an attempt was given to rebuild Jerusalem and a temple. Then, natural forces (earthquake?, sink holes?, fire coming out of the earth?), besides Roman armies doing their damage (circa 130 AD), and sending the Jews packing, again, on their way, from “the promised land”!

        I don’t think most of my fellow Latter-Day Saints (members of the Mormon Church) necessarily suppose things will ever get as bad as they have in times past, either.

        But, it is my humble opinion, especially since such things have been given by scripture to those in the church I belong to “in our time” that, indeed, such “judgements of God” await us.

        The terrorism done on 9/11/2001, IMHO, is likely only a very small, but revealing idea of destruction and devastation tht awaits an unprepented people in our nationi.

        Thomas Jefferson, on the 3rd panel at the Jefferson Memorial is quoted as saying—

        “God who gave us life gave us liberty.
        Can the liberties of a nation be secure
        when we have removed a conviction
        that these liberties are the gift of God?

        “Indeed I tremble for my country
        when I reflect that God is just,
        that his justice cannot sleep forever.”

        In the Book of Mormon, the promise (threat) that God’s justice will come upon us if we are unrighteous, is given as a blanket curse for all of the Americas—

        The first group to be brought to the Americas after the great flood (after the time of Noah) was a group that in the Book of Mormon are called the Jaredites (my own personal opinion is, is that those called the Olmec, in Central America, may have been at least some of the descendants of this people, who were brought to the Americas over 2000 years before Christ (probably before the time of Abraham).

        This is what we believe God uttered to an ancient prophet among that people (which people, perhaps over 2000 years later, committed civilizational suicide), were informed by the first founders of this people—

        7 And the Lord would not suffer that they should stop beyond the sea in the wilderness, but he would that they should come forth even unto the land of promise, which was choice above all other lands, which the Lord God had preserved for a righteous people.

        8 And he had sworn in his wrath unto the brother of Jared, that whoso should possess this land of promise, from that time henceforth and forever, should serve him, the true and only God, or they should be swept off when the fulness of his wrath should come upon them.

        9 And now, we can behold the decrees of God concerning this land, that it is a land of promise; and whatsoever nation shall possess it shall serve God, or they shall be swept off when the fulness of his wrath shall come upon them. And the fulness of his wrath cometh upon them when they are ripened in iniquity.

        10 For behold, this is a land which is choice above all other lands; wherefore he that doth possess it shall serve God or shall be swept off; for it is the everlasting decree of God. And it is not until the fulness of iniquity among the children of the land, that they are swept off.

        11 And this cometh unto you, O ye Gentiles, that ye may know the decrees of God—that ye may repent, and not continue in your iniquities until the fulness come, that ye may not bring down the fulness of the wrath of God upon you as the inhabitants of the land have hitherto done.

        12 Behold, this is a choice land, and whatsoever nation shall possess it shall be free from bondage, and from captivity, and from all other nations under heaven, if they will but serve the God of the land, who is Jesus Christ, who hath been manifested by the things which we have written.

        (Ether 2:7–12)

        The Americas also, like the land of Israel, is a land of promise, set aside by God for those who will live righteously (or, He will ‘sweep’ them off)!

        (Jesus) said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken… —Luke 24:25

        I don’t blame you, a gentile, for not believing, when many of those of my faith, who should know better, don’t believe all that God has spoken, including promised destruction when the people of this land don’t live righteously (we have fast acquired in this nation among so many the ways of wickedness, I am sad to say)!

      5. Sorry man, but no you don’t know what you are doing. You see elections is a simple mathematics.
        You have 2 options, and only 2 options that can win. Therefore there are only 2 options A or B. If you vote for A that vote goes to A and likewise for B. If you vote for C your vote is given to the one that is least what you like (as in whose agenda or whose party agenda you care least for). Why? Because the other candidate couldn’t ever get your vote and you not voting means that they need 1 less vote to win.

        Let’s illustrate.

        There are 100 votes, majority wins:

        40 are Dem
        40 are GOP

        20 are unknown and are “undecided”. Out of this 20 roughly 10 only say they are undecided but in actuallity reliably vote for one or another.

        So we have 10 that decide.

        You hate everything that Democrats stand for, but you disagree with current GOP candidate. Therefore you vote is removed. Now there are 99 votes.

        40 Dems
        40 GOP (that don’t change)
        10 Reliable
        9 decide (you removed yourself).

        So now out of these 9 Dems have to find sucker..ahm I mean voters that they can convince. They don’t have to worry about you as your vote doesn’t count anymore. GOP Lost your vote, and therefore they have to fight for the other 9 but since they lost one that liked them most (but hate current candidate) the chances are diminished.

        See how that works?

        I won’t change your mind, but know that your decision isn’t pragmatic nor knowledgeable it is simply reactionary.

      6. Marek,

        I see my vote, not only in terms of which candidate (and hence, supposedly the political party who made him or her their candidate), and the math of my not voting for (in this case, him, Trump), that he (hence) may not, thereby, prevail.

        But, Marek, I also see my vote as a decision made and acted upon to which I will also need to answer to my Maker at the final judgement.

        If you are saying that Claudius is better than Nero, or vice versa, you may be correct. Or rather, that Claudius is less evil than Nero, again, you may be correct.

        However, how can I answer to my Maker that I voted for either of these?

        I am a Christian, a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, known popularly (or unpopularly) as the “Mormon Church” (for our belief in a book translated, we believe, by Joseph Smith, and that by the gift and power of God), and a book of scripture that is equal with, and complementary of the Bible.

        In the Book of Mormon is a prophecy that is very similar to that given in Malachi 5, about a “remnant of Jacob”, and what they will do to the ‘gentiles’.

        However, the prophecy given in the Book of Mormon is fuller, or fleshes out much more and much clearer what the circa 8th century B.C. (or B.C.E., if you insist), prophet Micah declared in chapter 5 of his prophetic book.

        The ‘remnant of Jacob’ prophecy given in The Book of Mormon is given by the resurrected Jesus Christ to a righteous remnant of people in what we now call the Americas, wherein three times he gives this prophecy (in 3 Nephi 16, 20, and 21).

        Anyway, he prophecies of a time when the people he is speaking to, or rather, a remnant of their descendants, will “tread down” the ‘gentiles’ as a “lion among the beasts of the forest”, and when and where “none can deliver” (that is, no one will be able to deliver the gentiles from this ‘remnant of Jscob’ (i.e., Israel).

        I can see that if Donald J. Trump becomes our president; builds a (stronger border) wall, and sends (supposedly) millions of “illegal immigrants” packing back ‘home’ (many/mostly to Mexico; not to mention Honduras, Guatemala, Nicaragua, etc).

        Heck, though I voted for him, I was worried that Mitt Romney might, according to his campaign promises, bring fulfillment of that prophecy on…(with the resulting likely collapse of the United States of America).

        On the other hand, the Book of Mormon also talks about a Mafioso secret society that also was an entity and system in the ancient Americas that was, itself, much of the reason for the collapse of the ‘Nephites’, and most of the ‘Lamanites” who were descendants of Israelites who initially left the area of Jerusalem around 600 B.C. (around the time of the prophet Jeremish), and who were led by God to the Americas (fulfilling, in part, the prophecy given by Jacob to this son, Joseph, just before he died, about Joseph being a bough, even a bough by a well, whose branches run over the wall (read, barrier—which the oceans have been for people getting from the Old World to the New World long have been, and still are, somewhat).

        Anyway, this evil secret society, called in the Book of Mormon, the Gadianton Robbers (a mafioso type group that was begun or first organized by a man named Gadianton).

        For me, the Clintons are the epitome of the type of people who are part of the Gadianton Robbers. the murders (what I call ‘body bags’), that seem associated with them (since Arkansas), their money laundering system, where “the drop” (of money) is made to the Clinton Foundation in Canada; and from there, sent, without having to identify where it came from; and why (the implied or maybe explicit ‘quid pro quo’ behind it).

        Sexual sins (like rape, womanizing, and every form of sexual perversion, including homosexuality, bisexualism, etc), accompanied those who belonged to the Gadianton Robbers).

        Either scenario, I see, death, destruction, and collapse (unless we can get a much better president in within only 4 years of one or the other being in office); but which recent history seems to imply is nigh unto impossible (Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and finally Barack Hussein Obama) each and all winning second terms.

        Either Claudius or Agrippina (instead of Nero) will become the next ’emperor’. Even Trump says he knows how the ‘quid pro quo’ money system works (since he, himself, gave $100,000 to the Clinton Foundation)!

        Since we’re electing an emperor or empress (essentially), how can I justify casting a vote for either to God, when I stand before him to be judged for my works (including my vote/s)?

      7. Not Quite! National Finance Committee members, calling themselves “Hillblazers” Cut a $100,000 Check to the Hillary Victory Fund. Which Has Absolutely NO Connection with the Clinton Foundation…

      8. Oh shucks you hit me with history, you have exposed my weakness. I can’t say no to such 🙂

        OK, let’s go with that one. Here are our choices, Sulla or Marius. Both want to be a dictators but Sulla will institute prescription.

        Do those choices suck? YES! However those are you ONLY choices. Any other choice simply means that you aren’t voting for the lesser evil. It means nothing more than that, you aren’t being honorable nor pragmatic you are simply emoting.

        Believe me I understand this feeling, and if it wasn’t Hillary, hell if it was husband, I would likely do the same thing. Yet Hilary is the worst thing possible, she fails in everything she touches, not to mention that her illegal behavior exposes her contempt to everybody.
        Yet still it wouldn’t be a big deal if not for SCOTUS. Next President will have at least 2 nominations, probably 3. Scotus is unfortunately an Oligarchy in our system. They control what is legal and what isn’t. They determine what our laws are. This by itself if there was nothing else, is the reason to oppose her.

        What we, as people, have to do now is to look at mirror and ask ourselves this question: “Trump or Hilary? WTF did we do? What is wrong with us as people to chose this option?”
        That is step two, step 1 is to prevent the greatest evil.

        obama is bad, he has done damage that likely is irreversible, Romney would have been a decent choice… yet we got obama again. Why? Because of media and because of people who couldn’t stomach Romney’s religion or perception of him being a RINO.
        This time it is worse, because as bad as obama is, Hilary is far, far worse.

        I am not saying that I am going to love my vote, I am going to hate it… what I am saying is that when your choice is bad or evil you must chose bad so that you can look yourself in the mirror the next day.

      9. Marek,

        Strong reasoning, my friend. I appreciate that, (honestly).

        I will weigh your strong arguments, and ponder them. And see if it is enough to change my mind.

        Thanks for taking the time and making the argument to try to change my mind!

      10. Thank you kindly 🙂

        I hate this election with more bile then I can express. I rather not wake up in the morning and go to work, I rather wake up in the morning and go on an RV trip with my kids., yet I do and go to work and not do what I would love to do.
        In other words, in life very often choice is to do that which is either less harmful or less fun, because doing what you think is right or proper is going to harm those you care about the most.

      11. Marek,

        Don’t try to oversell me on your position. I understood your logic in the last post I responded to. I am still contemplating your argument, and trying to see if being a conscientious objector to just one when I’m already the same for both, is something I am still weighing.

        When it comes to CONSEQUENCES for voting for EITHER, I find the likely outcomes to BOTH be EXTREMELY SEVERE. With Hillary, I’m voting for her as the Godmother (NOT like in ‘fairy godmother’, but like in Marlon Brando’s portrayal of the Godfather – Mafioso type).

        With TRUMP I’d be voting for (like I would be for Hillary) narcissism, ineptness, a sociopath, lies, lies, and more lies, and corruption. And, I strongly believe, the total destruction of my nation. BOTH offer us ALL of these BAD THINGS.

        I foresee outcomes in voting for Trump (even the SCOTUS argument isn’t necessarily as guaranteed or even as likely for conservatives as you suppose, and as Donald has claimed). Donald Trump has LONG BEEN a liberal. Why should I “trust” him NOW? I never have BEFORE!

      12. Oh sorry, that wasn’t my intention at all. I was venting more to myself then anything. I am not particularly happy about this election (in a same way that one wouldn’t be particularly happy about chopping ones hand off)

        I think Trump isn’t quite as bad as portrait by the media, Hilary well not even bias media can make her look good 🙂

        Still though, I need a drink.

      13. Unfortunately the Psychopath calling Himself Donald Trump is being Controlled by a Greater Psychopath calling Himself Vladimir Putin. I’dd Rather have a Psychopath NOT Controlled by Vladimir Putin as President…

      14. He’s not necessarily ‘controlled’ by him. But, can you imagine someone saying they like Lenin, Stalin, Kruschev, Breshnev, or any other Russian dictator (which Putin is); regardless of the sham elections they hold! Trump was/is most foolish to talk about us “getting along with” Putin. We won’t, because he won’t.

      15. I suspect HE IS! Trump is opening a Resort and Country Club in Moscow and in Crimea. On Very Favorable Terms for Russian Staff Hiring’s at Cut Rate Prices. Putin Control’s the Economy, Media and Everything Else…

    2. All that I personally have been impacted by that Hillary had anything to do with were limited to one occasion. As a active duty navy CPO I was finishing college by taking evening courses at Station Anacostia. One of my class mates suggested that he could arrange a tour at the white house where he worked. We would have to be in uniform to go on the tour. Hillary refused to allow anyone in uniform to take the tour even though the white house wasn’t open to the public on Saturdays. I checked that information out and found that she had even denied military folks who had been involved in a funeral at Arlington to take a tour of the white house if they were in uniform. No wonder that veterans care at the VA is constantly in the news for negative reasons. Another VA scandal was reported today 10/16/16.

      1. I hear you brother. I was at Walter Reed during the Watergate hearings, and we were forbidden to be seen in uniform anywhere near the hearings for fear we’d be seen on national tele vision – that order came from the Commander in Chief. I wasn’t about to disobey that order, and at the time had little interest in politics.

        I too am a VA care recipient, and have been since 1997. I’ve had care that ranges from horrible to absolutely the best at VA facilities, and I think it depends a lot on who is at the top of the particular VISN your facility falls under. High population areas tend to have the least care options available, which was my experience in the northeast. In the midwest where I live now I have had quite a different experience – the care is excellent, the caregivers absolutely the best, and the only troublesome people to deal with are in administration.

        Hillary would be an utter disaster for the VA and the veterans. I think she views us as cannon fodder and unworthy for any other purpose. That’s because we will not bend to her will, and I hope that never changes for the sake of the country and the people that our military defends.

        Thanks for your service, Chief.

      2. Ditto to you as well. We rented a home while I was stationed in Anacostia and there we used the Air Force base that was connected to Anacostia for our medical care which was excellent. In addition Walter Reed was also available. After I was transferred we used the VA in Wilmington, DE. Once Bush became president there was a huge improvement at the VA there. Shortly after Obama became president about a third of the medical staff and most of the clinics were removed. Appointments were hard to get and the time between appointments was increased, almost doubled. Some of the services that were still available maintained their pre-Obama quality of care. One thing happened that made no sense. A big waiting room was converted into a Starbucks and no one knew why because now waiting space was greatly reduced. Then we found that the Starbucks owner was an Obama contributor.

      3. BLAME US Congress! Since 2008, there has been NO Appropriations of ANY KIND during the Obama Administration. ALL Current 2016 Military Budget is being Payed For by 2008 Military Appropriations. Obama, submitted a 250-page Appropriations for 2017, US Congress DISCARDED 194-pages of that Appropriations. Which included “Sign Up Bonuses” for Military Personnel, Tricare, VA Benefits, Housing, Commissary Privileges…

    3. Donald Trump is certainly no paragon of civility but after 8 years of Obama we drastically need to be led by someone who has a far more pragmatic view of our enemies. Unless we have serious improvements in our military and national security we might have even more email hacks and how many more incidents of leaks by our elected officials do we need to convince liberals that we have had quite enough of progressive liberal leadership? After all even though Hillary was required and signed off on the use of only official government communications devices she failed to comply with the well known regulations and set up and used her own private server. Even president Obama was aware of it and used another name when sending her emails. She admitted this and now she wants to become president. Since this violation she would be unable to have a required security clearance and thus unable to do the job of President. Have you heard this on CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC or PBS? The reason is obvious. Now we have been told that the Justice Dept and even the FBI could be included in the Clinton conspiracy. Maybe Donald Trump is the only person who is willing to take action to rectify this dreadful situation.

    4. DiligentDave,

      Your choice is to throw away your one chance to change this corruption. Having been a voter since 1972, allow me to offer my insights to you.

      First, there is no perfect candidate. They all are human beings, and they all have things in their pasts that are questionable, some even criminal. That is the same no matter who the candidate is, at least there are very few that does not apply to, but in these particular cases, Hillary is the worst of the two options.

      With Trump, we have alleged but unproven claims of assault, and a hot mic tape that conveniently appeared as if by design at a time when Hillary was about to take some major heat from her proven past behavior. Coincidence? Hardly possible. These women’s allegations are too well timed for that to be a real possibility. This is her nuclear option woman card, and she planned to use it all along, after Trump got nominated. If it had been anyone else, she simply would have created another one suited to the opponent she would have been facing, because traps like this are the Clinton way. She lacks the personal appeal to get elected on her own merits, and a record of success, so the political destruction of the opponent is her only way to win.

      In Hillary’s case, we have a long history of failures and lying to protect her from prosecution for acts of corrupt activities and outright criminal behavior. Everything she did at State was documented on that illicit server, and when she left State she was compelled to surrender all of it upon leaving by several federal statutes. She failed to comply with the law willfully and knew she was doing it. That’s one case that is prosecutable. Then there are the repeated denials of her possession of classified materials, which were proven false by the FBI’s investigation. She did what she wanted to despite the laws concerning classified information, so that’s case two. Then, we have the lying to the people about the four men she allowed to be executed by terrorists in Benghazi. Case three. Add to that the thousands of innocent lives that have been lost at the hands of ISIS in Iraq and Syria, and the Syrian government trying to exterminate their own citizens – case four. All either willful acts of commission, or failures of her own making in dealing with world problems as Secretary of State, a position she was clearly incapable of filling effectively. That is because she was promoted to the level of her incompetence, referred to as the Peter Principle. From an ineffectual Senator to a complete and utter failure as Secretary of State.

      The chioce we have is a binary one – either nominee of either party and that is it. Writing in a person in a Presidential election has never resulted in that person being elected, and that is not going to change because it is impossible to get enough people to get behind a write in candidate. Why? Because the majority of voters vote for one party or the other. There are millions who will vote only Democrat no matter what, and the same is true for the Republican party. This is why no third party has ever come even marginally close to taking office. That is the truth and history proof of it.

      Writing in Rubio is a protest vote, but an ineffective waste of your vote, and it helps Hillary because it denies Trump. Think what you will of Trump, but he is not responsible for death and destruction on the scale of Hillary, and her vanity and selfish denials of responsibility ring hollow with the arrogance of one who has conspired to achieve high office under fraudulent means. She only craves the wealth and power to turn this nation into a nation of powerless and defenseless people, people who have no choice but to conform to her will, her wishes and her ambitions.

      Trump has no need for any of that, and he has never caused any of the kind of suffering she has. A vote for Rubio supports her, because Trump needs every vote he can get to fight her rigging of the system. She used the DNC and the press to get the nomination, and she is using all the dirty tricks she can to distract the people from digging into her true history because it proves she’s been projecting her own shortcomings on her opponent. She is the one who lies, cheats and steals, and the public record is proof.

      I too wanted Rubio, but he was not the nominee and has no chance this time, but I do believe his turn will come in 2020, and when it does, I will be right there with you supporting him for the Republican Party nomination as their candidate for President.

      As far as your comment about Trump, “Why would anyone assume he’s CHANGED?”, why are you assuming these claims are true? We have no evidence that they are – no police reports, no civil litigation, no recordings – nothing but women who are conveniently charging him with allegations few if any men could deny given the emotionally charged nature of the claims. This is what is known as a tar baby trap – laid for the specific purpose of trapping the accused to defend themselves before a mob of folks driven by the emotion and not to be bothered by fact or hindered by the absence of proof of the allegations. It’s the oldest trick in the political game and you are falling for it quite well – that’s the design of the trap. While you focus on the claims – unproven by any standard of indictable evidence – no proof, no witness, no legal complaints of any kind, Hillary gets away with her dirty tricks and litany of lies and crimes.

      Your only REAL choice in this election cycle is either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump – any other choice gives Hillary the advantage, and with the possible destruction she will bring to the Supreme Court, you rights to defend yourself and your family, and the inevitable global conflict that is coming because of the weakness Obama has shown the world and all those who would destroy us, well, writing in Rubio isn’t going to change that one iota. If we are fortunate, Trump could cause our enemies to pause and think before acting, but Hillary will not impede them in the least, and Rubio will never get a chance to run in 2020 because we will no longer exist as the United States of America. That is the consequence of believing the lies and dirty tricks of Clinton and writing in Rubio. As I said, I’ve been voting since 1972, and I’ve seen what happens to write in candidates and the more they take from electable candidates the more it assures the loss of our rights and way of life.

      You have the right to waste your vote and throw the election to Clinton if you choose, but I urge you to think about the things she will being to America if she wins. We know what she is and how she works – and much the same is true for Trump, but why vote for certain destruction, when there is a chance Trump will work in the interest of the people and will not destroy Constitutional government in the United States of America? While you may not like Trump as a person, remember none of these women have proven their stories and without proof they are just that – stories. If Hillary appoints two or three new Supreme Court Justices you can be sure this nation, and the Constitution will be forever altered. The left will get their heart’s desires, and all that stands for individual liberty will be forever destroyed. They will re-write the law from the bench and few if any laws created that way have ever been changed back once they’ve become legal precedent in the US Supreme Court. Add to that if you think the Clintons are corrupt now, that will explode ten times the level it is now. She may even do away with future elections and become the emperor of the United States, like Obama has virtually done.

      A vote cast in protest is at best ignored, and at worst a guarantee of destruction of liberty. My brothers since 1776 have fought to support your liberty and assure freedom for all – don’t throw that out the window because our nominees are not the image of perfection – only one man in world history fit that description, and he was the Son of God. Rubio’s time will come, but only if Hillary is defeated on election day.

      1. I, too, have voted every year since then. I turned 18 in 1971.

        I am not ‘throwing away my vote’. I just will not vote, in this election, for Claudius in lieu of Agrippina; nor Agrippina in lieu of Claudius.

  7. “The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied
    or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race,
    color, or previous condition of servitude.”

    That’s it. No caveats.

    So Mike, your comments about voting in the U.S. are particularly specious.

    1. That’s a non-sequitur. No one is talking about abridgement or denial of the right to vote. Mike Rowe is addressing the question of whether or not to encourage others to vote. He is not advocating, as some have, some kind of test or tax before allowing someone to vote. He is merely addressing the question of whether or not to encourage someone he does not know, to vote. That’s all. There is nothing specious about that.

  8. With all that is at obvious risk as a result of this election why would any clear thinking US Citizen vote in favor of anything that would help Hillary Clinton win? Shortly after the election is over and the media reluctantly releases the leaked emails from the Clinton campaign and anything else to do with the so called Clinton Foundation, people who helped Hillary win will realize how mistaken they were. Most of the Obama promises in respect to Obamacare and Hillary’s promises are merely standard operating procedures for democrats. Anyone who has use of or access to a computer is able to look up this and verify it. Some liberal owned and operated so called ‘fact check’ sites will not and if you take to time to verify their opinions they will be almost identical. Those responses are likely provided by liberal sources. I have followed our political process since I was in college and in most cases there is little or no logic to explain why people vote for candidates who have little or no interest in long term effects. We now have a $20 trillion national debt and our unfunded liabilities exceed $200 trillion bucks. You don’t have to have an understanding of finances to see that we are in serious trouble. Reducing military and intel forces simply doesn’t work, anyone remember 9/11? Obama has been doing the same things Bubba was in the late 1990’s. Hillary has indicated that she is anti-gun and all for open borders. What could possibly go wrong?

  9. I wonder how Mike feels about early voting, and busing loads of people to register AT the polling place to do so. I also wonder what his opinion is of the organizations that register people en masse so they don’t have to fill out the paperwork themselves? Personally, I think it was a crap deal from the beginning. If you can’t fill out a voter registration card yourself, which asks you to identify yourself and a party affiliation or independence, you have a real problem. The states have eliminated questions of race, ethnicity and the like, and they don’t ask you to identify your religion. All they do ask for is your name. address, and some don’t even ask if you are a particular gender.

    As to early voting, well I believe it is unnecessary. There are absentee ballots in every state, and federal laws state employers have to allow workers time off to vote. Any employer that does not is subject to heavy fines for each incident (aka employee) they denied this right under civil rights laws and specific statutes under federal election law. The whole early voting thing is a scam put in place by one party – the democrats, along with complicit agencies like ACORN, which were and are a front for vote/election fraud from their inception. I’ve done the research, and I’m not going to write it here because anyone with an adult level of intellect can do it for themselves.

    All of this is for the express purpose of achieving and maintaining political dominance in order to effect a one party system in the United States. These organizations by structure and practice amount to a criminal enterprise, and they try to make a case for legitimacy charging voter suppression, which is a red herring, unless you count the Philadelphia, PA cases where the New Black Panther Party posted club wielding thugs at polling place entrances to discourage white voters from entering their designated polling place during the Presidential election of 2008 when Barack Hussein Obama was elected for his first term, with their help and ACORN’s active presence , which was ended as a result of criminal indictments across the country. ACORN was supposed to be gone as a result of the cases brought against them, but they merely quit doing business as ACORN and formed a number of splinter groups doing the same things they were as ACORN.

    So much for the Obama Department of Justice.

    The amount of damage that has been done to the electoral process since the second term of George W. Bush may be irreparable, but I urge you to write your Senator, Congressional Representatives, at both the state and federal level and demand a return to legitimacy of our elections.

    This nation will not survive unless the election process is restored, and that includes going back to a paper ballot which is a physical record of your vote and cannot be hacked or corrupted by electronic means. Paper ballots can be counted either physically or by electro-mechanical means, but they can’t be changed in between your casting them, then placing them in the ballot box, and subsequent secure transport to the place where they are tabulated. That system while archaic is fairly secure and it worked for over 200 years of this nation’s existence. Until we can make electronic balloting absolutely incorruptable it only makes sense to treat our election processes the way they have always worked in the past. Changing things just because it is the modern way or it’s, “the 21st century”, is foolish unless the security of the vote can be guaranteed.

    The same goes for allowing organizations to handle voter registration. This should never have been allowed by any organization other than the states. I do think allowing registration at the license issuing authority is acceptable, but only a state run agency should be allowed that such as is the case with the, “motor voter”, programs. This effectively eliminates the dead registering to vote or fictitious persons from registering. This would also cut down on the number of identity theft cases in relation to voter registration. The only exception to this should be registering through the election boards locally. There is simply no need or justification for allowing a third party to register voters. This is where the corruption of the system begins, and is a result of the efforts of liberals who are trying to tilt the scales their direction.

    So, wise up, America! Take back the control of your elections and the system that supports every level of elected offices from local to federal. It’s our country, let’s start behaving that way.

  10. Very interesting response from him. However with his criteria, the vast majority of registered voters should not be voting. Most people have very little knowledge of how govt works, the various agencies, econ 101 or the many functions of govt. The sad aspect of this election and most of them is that very few people really dig into the issues to understand how each candidate will deal with issues and what direction they will take the country. I’m specifically for one of the candidates and I base my decision on this candidates’s direction for the country and the policies this person is likely to carry out. If people could get past personalities and all the nonsense and focus on the issues and whether they think a particular candidate is qualified, experienced and capable of moving the country in the direction that is best for the country, that would be a much better criteria.

  11. Chiefbuck,

    I would never vote for a Clinton. They and Obama are as un-American as you can get. Add Chief Justice Roberts and Benedict Arnold, and you’ve got a full list (of Traitors).

    A man by the name of Evan McMullin is running for president. Started his campaign 2 months ago. (Way too late). He’s running as a Republican who is anti-Trump. However, populism won over the few who vote in the GOP primaries, and Trump won. Cheating prevailed in the Democratic campaign (but both Bernie & Hillary would have been/will be disastrous).

    I’m anti-Clinton, Bernie, & Trump. But I’m not voting for McMullin because I’m anti-Trump. He hopes to get a deadlock between Hillary & Trump, and then get elected by the House of Representatives by a lame duck GOP majority.

    But, I’m not voting for McMullin because he’s anti-Trump. His website (IMO) is vague on this political stances (what he’s for, what he’s against), other than Trump (He’s anti-Trump).

    Well, I won’t vote for one candidate just because I’m against his/her opponent.

    Of at least the rhetoric I’ve heard, I’d only vote for Marco Rubio. He has no chance in 2016 (I know). But I’m not voting against someone.

    Either Clinton or Trump will ruin America. And, either one will be president. Clinton is corrupt; both Clinton & Trump are sleazy. I see little hope for our nation, sadly.

  12. dang…..mikes response should be on the news every day…folks need to have knowledge of who they cast a vote for. it is a great responsibility to be an informed voter.

  13. When you’re done with Hazlitt, go check out The Law by Frederic Bastiat to learn why you should be less concerned with who gets to vote and more concerned with what they may or may not do with that vote.
    “I wish merely to observe here that this controversy over universal suffrage
    (as well as most other political questions)
    which agitates, excites, and overthrows nations,
    would lose nearly all of its importance
    if the law had always been what it ought to be.
    In fact, if law were restricted to protecting
    all persons, all liberties, and all properties;
    if law were nothing more than the organized combination
    of the individual’s right to self defense;
    if law were the obstacle, the check, the punisher
    of all oppression and plunder
    — is it likely that we citizens would then argue much
    about the extent of the franchise?

  14. I understand Mike’s concern that many if encouraged, many Americans will vote without the maturity necessary to take part of this process. However, is that not the point of elections? Whether American citizens follow the news, align with a political party, or exercise their other rights, they are all entitled to express their opinion and who they think will lead America on what they think is the best path. Despite if their beliefs are inane or scientifically disproven, they still should be able to have a voice in the future of their country. After all, the actions of the elected leader will affect them too.

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